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That's One Screwed Up Elephant

Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:31 AM EDT
politics, iraq, republicans, gop, war, congress, elections, war-on-terror, 2008, scandal, prostitution, 2008-elections, family-values, david-vitter, john-warner, rinos, rino-hunters, richard-luger
By The OttO Show
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A recent caller to Rush Limbaugh captured my attention for being so frank and observant of the situation around us.  The caller expressed strong regret for his role as one of many Republicans who thumbed their nose at the party in 2006.  The obfuscation for the abandoning parties was in putting logic and principle second to naked idealism and a superiority complex.  The caller acknowledged this in expressing what I warned people about last fall:  abandoning the best of two clear choices in the election would not get you closer to what you want. 

Just days before the 2006 elections,  I said:

"If you lean towards Republicans but are convinced that the answer to your beefs lie with some political cartoon, consider what a Democrat Congress will push: anti-war, anti-religion, anti-marriage, anti-life agendas. We will be suffering through two years of showboating investigations while our leadership is trying to conduct a war with villains and deal with enemy states who thrive on the kind of politics that Democrats promote. We will have Harry Reid as majority leader in the Senate. Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. John Murtha as Majority Leader of the house [oops]. Charlie 'I never met a tax-cut I liked' Rengal chairing the Means and Ways Committee."

So we have the Pelosi/Reid Congress to deal with now.  By and large, we're not howling at the moon every night in angst over the election results.  We take it on the chin and with a grain of salt.  For us foot soldiers on the conservative/Republican side of things, we've taken it as an ideological lesson for the Republican Party.  We've accepted it.  Which is why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid can get away with pushing the envelope of decency and character and we don't go postal over it. 

And Republicans should be held to a higher standard.

Which is why it's time for David Vitter to swiftly step down his Senate seat.  This isn't because I care that he has infidelity problems or pays women for sex.  My drive is based on what's good for the party.  While losing another Senate seat isn't necessarily great for the party, is it really that troublesome?  

The GOP needs to police itself and get rid of the problems.  Starting with the absurd and the overt.  Republican response to the Mark Foley scandal was swift and decisive.  Even so, the Left's response to the scandal included cries of "hypocrisy"...for a member of the 'family values' party hath fallen.  

In that circumstance, Foley and the party leadership did the right thing in not dragging it out.  Republicans have generally stepped down or policed itself in some manner when bad personal habits and corruption engulfs one of its own.  But if Vitter doesn't immediately resign or if Republican leadership refuses to show the same swift decisiveness in threatening to expel him, then Democrats will have more ammunition behind the moral hypocrisy accusations.  Democrats/Left seem to almost honestly believe that the issue that put Bill Clinton in the hot seat was his extramarital personal life, so of course it's easy to say that Republicans who do the same are hypocrites.   Neither Vitter nor his staff, to the best of my knowledge, lied to a Grand Jury, made bribes, obstructed justice or swore to the American people that he wasn't doing what he was doing.  To his credit, he admitted it and apologized.

But really - does anyone care that he has found forgiveness from his wife?  Or God for that matter?  He may have made peace with God, but God isn't a registered voter in the state of Louisiana and his wife doesn't represent the future of the GOP.  If this scandal had arisen from some distant, pre-public service time in Vitters life, it would be inconsequential to me.   But as an elected official, he has to bear some responsibility in the direction the party goes.

I've said in the past that I'm glad that I'm with the party that has standards; that can identify right and wrong, good and evil; that promotes 'family values'.  I have yet for someone to explain to me how it is worse to have and encourage standards (even if some fail to meet them) than not have any standards at all, which seems to translate into 'I can get away with more, face less criticism and feel better about it because my party doesn't promote social and moral standards."  Well, here's a cookie!

And yes, I'm aware that David Vitter is by no means the only person in Washington who cheats on a spouse or runs with whores.  But thus far, he's one of a small club who actually are on public record for doing so.  That's why his remaining in the party will only feed to the disillusionment of it's base and the aggressiveness of it's opponents.

Republicans were at their best, as candidates and politicians, when they were strong, direct and principled.  That seems lost on a party that, while holding their own on Congressional defense, is currently doing nothing to rally people to their support in the coming election season.  There is plenty to rally people around.   Congress approval ratings are at a dismal 14%.  While I know it's fashionable to believe that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should take credit for Congressional successes while blaming the problems in Congress on everyone else, Republicans should see an opportunity in trying to win over some of the 86% who have little to no faith in Congress.

Republican voters and conservatives want an alternative to Democratic waffling and eulogizing over the Iraq War.  Republicans who pull this pandering crap on us over fear of losing their seats deserve the same kind of scorn and contempt that I've given Democrats over the past few years.  And as I've said before, if Republicans give the voters a choice between Democrats and Democrat-lite, voters will elect the real thing most of the time.

For instance, the perception of what is happening in Iraq is and has been media manipulated.  Add to that the emboldened and unified anti-war front among Democrats and their ability to feed sound bites into the American conscience...and where are Republicans?  Flopping around in the very winds that slapped the Democrats around throughout the first part of the decade.  Senators Lugar and Warner are only adding to the problem and the perception of a mixed-up, muddled principle-less party that crumbles while Democrats work to squeeze the last drops of life out of our posture in the war against Islamic terrorists.

It's up to Republicans to save this war and they have to start by climbing out of the shadows, opening their mouths, supporting the president and General Petraeus with enthusiasm and selling this fight to the American people again.  Democrats have worked feverishly to undermine this war since Saddam's statue fell and they have convinced a significant majority of Americans that the war can be abandoned without consequence and that it should be.  There is no reason that, starting now, the Republicans can't start a successful campaign to reinvest the American mindset into this war, and have positive results for themselves by next November.  Petraeus is just weeks into his new strategy, reports are coming out that show some signs of effectiveness and this is a golden opportunity for Republicans to rally the people behind the effort. 

If you want to save your party, start by cleaning house and saving the war. Otherwise, we might as well accept our Democratic masters.

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BlaiseP

The Republicans have cuddled up to the Religious Right in hopes of garnering all the reactionary, Family Values voters. The Republicans are finding to their horror the pharisee-like behavior they exhibited during the Clinton years ( the Republicans held 120 hours of sworn testimony on the Christmas Card Scandal ) is coming back to haunt them.

Forget the sex. Let's get down to the Republicans and their nasty swipes at Perceived Immorality. You folks blew your stack over Clinton, both husband and wife. You lost the last elections because you backed this immoral war in Iraq. You haven't done anything but whine. The Republican Party should shut the hell up and take its licks, that bunch of pious frauds, and pray that God may lead them into temptation again, so you can resist it properly this time.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:02 AM EDT
The Observer

Vitter should resign and Clinton should have resigned.

NO DOUBLE STANDARD.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:33 AM EDT
The OttO Show

Blaise (and ChaosLight): have you even read the article? I addressed both the Republicans stance on moral standards and their treatment of Clinton during his own scandals.

I've also addressed the position that somehow it is better to have corruption in a party with no standards.

I've criticized the party for not swooping in on Vitter and pressuring him out. Instead of fuming, why not acknowledge that?

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:07 PM EDT
BlaiseP

I did read the article, and find it rather disingenuous. Pelosi stripped the reprehensible Jefferson of all his committee memberships, and Jefferson will lose his seat when he is duly convicted. Until such time, that's all that can be done. He was duly elected, I'm afraid, and his continued presence in the House is a lasting disgrace. But to utter a manifest lie such as

Which is why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid can get away with pushing the envelope of decency and character and we don't go postal over it.

is really just too much. I am not pleased to call you a liar, but this is simply untrue, and you would do well to edit that phrase out of your article.

Your party has no standards, or rather, it makes up its standards as it goes along. Five, yea six years later, you are still whining about Clinton. Do not tell me you know how to take anything on the chin, your chin is trembling with anguish and pent-up rage, you whiny, childish little rogues. The disgusting Halliburton / KBR scandals do not trouble you a whit, you continue to play mendacious little games with signing statements in an attempt to subvert the will of Congress. Your support for the Guantanamo gulag and the secret gulags run in our name, the unwarranted spying on US citizens, the lies which led us into Iraq, the abrogation of our rights in law are all justified on the very bad excuse of "WE'RE AT WAAAAR!" This is the rhetoric of failed tyrants, not honest men. And you are not honest men, even now, Elliot Abrams, a professional liar to Congress, pardoned from his role in the Iran-Contra scandal, which I consider to be the greatest act of treachery in the history of our nation, (Benedict Arnold only sold the plans to West Point, the Iran-Contra crew would have sold them the cannons, shot and powder ) now guides Middle East policy at the State Department. Criminals all, I hope your precious George Bush and Dick Cheney are extradited to the Hague and made to face charges of war crimes.

Spare me a reply, you cannot justify these things. You continue to support the policies of the most dangerous and dictatorial president since Adams proposed the Alien and Sedition Acts. You have disposed of our ablest commanders, men who warned of what was coming in Iraq, preferring Yes Men.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:25 PM EDT
ChaosLight

Yes, I did, and I notice that you seem to have forgotten that Hilary also forgave Clinton, so mentioning this fact about Vitter in a context related to absolution is (I hope) an oversight that made it that much harder to ignore the tone of the rest of the article.

Nontheless, perhaps I misconstrued. But then again, (and maybe this is asking a bit much from a single article) where is the similar condemnation of those who are elected on the basis of small government and have done nothing so much as appoint an Emperor.

It seems to me that it's on a stray Rino in the elephant herd, but that the rinos are driving the pack.

    #1.4 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
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    epiphany sorbet

    Otto - did you really name this article, "Untitled Post"?

    A couple of points on Vitter:

    1) A Democrat in the same state is "suspected" of taking a $90,000 bribe and keeping it in his freezer. His party has no plans to ask him or the other suspicious customers in that political party to step down.

    2) The Dems have figured out that the easy way to get a Repub out of office is to find something on him and the party will call for him/her to step down/step aside. Therefore, I suggest that the Repub party stop helping the Democrats gain seats in Congress. Let the constituents decide who holds that office . . . not Kathleen Blanco.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:11 AM EDT
    The OttO Show

    Hi,

    Title is showing up fine to me.

    I sympathize with what you are saying but my position on this is that if Republicans expect to be perceived as better or different, then they have to act that way. People are fed up with Congress and a lot of it has to do with sleaziness and corruption and self-protection over principles. Pointing out that Democrats are doing bad things and not holding their own accountable is no reason to suggest Republicans should do the same. I want a clear choice between the two parties and Republicans could make that choice clearer by supporting or not ignoring their own creeps in their party.

    One of the parties is going to have to respond to the public at some point - why not demand that it be the Republicans? Let the Jeffersons of the Democratic Party drag their party down - not ours. So we keep one Senate seat (if we're not just holding off the inevitable). How does that help us in the larger picture?

    • 4 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:11 PM EDT
    epiphany sorbet

    Otto,

    And I disagree. It would be ideal if all Republicans, elected and otherwise, could always live up to their standards. An individual's failure, doesn't make the standard null and void, which is what the left advocates. Their attitude is that if there are no standards, then there is no "hypocrisy". As a group, the American people want these standards in place. Laws against prostitution, drugs, age limits on tobacco use and where you can use it, etc.

    These standards are good for society. Even many people who break the laws (speeding, drugs, prostitution etc) still support the laws being in place.

    I can live with an elected official who has been seriously humiliated and apologizes. It's way better than having an elected official who doesn't agree with my sense of culture and flouts it defiantly (so as not to appear to be a hypocrite, of course) and possibly works to repeal laws that I agree with. I believe that there are a lot worse things in the world than hypocrisy.

    • 2 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:48 PM EDT
    rmagedon

    Otto, I have to agree with Epiph, to continue to force people to resign because they are human has to have two sides, if the other side considers having gay whorehouses run from their townhomes and continue to support that, then I think we need to forgive the man.

    The democrats continue to show an almost blatant hypocrisy, such as clinton accusing bush over the commutation or chasing Justice over firing attorneys when clinton did it while the attorneys had an active investigation going on both clintons. Hypocrisy is a lie, Vitter is not a hypocrite, he is a human who made a mistake and fessed up.

    Americans know that the democrats are liars as proven by their continuing hypocrisy. The dems did not win in 06, the repubs stayed home, and that will not be the case in 08. Despite what lies the MSM spread about the war, Americans know we have to see it through, even if they are against it. The dems are only trying to appease the left wing extremists in the party, which by the way, it seems they are quite discontent with the Dems and may be looking for other options.

    Your point about making the best choice is dead on, you can vote for a socialist or you can vote for freedom, the choice is simple and I believe Americans will make the correct choice in 08 and am predicting a Repub WH and at least one house in Congress if not both.

    The dems have shot their selves in the foot over immigration and there could easily be some Senate seats change on that one issue alone.

    • 4 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:19 PM EDT
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    ChaosLight

    This is what happens when weak, immoral people join what has rapidly become the Party of We Hate Your Body.

    And what will continue to happen as long as you so-called "defenders of freedom" continue to cozy up to a religious lobby that wants nothing less than the total subjugation of moderate, secular, and otherwise non-evangelical-christian America under a code no less fanatical than Shari'a.

    Surely it cannot have escaped your thoughts that if Vitter had been elected on a campaign to legalize and regulate prostitution, no one would care where he was sticking his dick. But as it happens, he got elected on the standard of "your bathing suit area is shameful and disgusting and should only ever be shown to someone who is Bound By God not to run away screaming, and even then only to make nice Christian Crotchspawn..."
    ...Well, what did you expect?

    Not saying you people should hold yourselves to higher standards... how about just the standards you set for everyone else?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:44 AM EDT
    ChaosLight

    Edit: "hardly" less fanatical than Shari'a

      #3.1 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:45 AM EDT
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      Colorado Bob

      I hate to break it to you, but the republican party is about to be a regional party .... the south.

      The Reagan Revolution died at Terri Shiavo's bedside, when they saw Tom Delay sticking his nose in where it didn't belong.

      As for all this clap trap about marriage ... The current crop of republicans running for president, are the most married group of white guys in the history of white guys.

      You want to defend marriage ? Try to keep your people down to just one divorce per man.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:34 PM EDT
      The OttO Show

      Who said anything about defending marriage here?

      Teri Shiavo? I take it you're not a Republican or a conservative (maybe you are, I don't know). If not, then what makes you think that people who expect government and society to err on the side of life would agree with you when the party does so?

      I don't think Shiavo had a lasting impact on the party. I think excusing corruption and creeps is bad for either party and I'm calling for Republicans to rise above it and put principle over people.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:14 PM EDT
      Colorado Bob

      The Republican Party wanted to amend the constitution so that gays couldn't marry.
      "The Defense of Marriage Amendment"
      They beat us over the head with that one for years, and Vitter was out in front on it.

      I don't think Shiavo had a lasting impact on the party.

      Keep believing it that cause Sam Brownback is out on the road with her brother right now.

      • 2 votes
      #4.2 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:38 PM EDT
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      Colorado Bob

      Republican response to the Mark Foley scandal was swift and decisive.

      They knew that Foley was trollin' for pages for some time ... it only got "swift" when the story broke.

      But Foley ain't the only one.
      The Republican mayor of Spokane, Washington was up to the same thing. Attacking gay marriage as he offered city jobs for gay sex.

      There's rot from top to bottom .
      Duke Cunningham
      Newt
      That jack ass preacher from Colorado Springs

      David Dreier
      Bill Kristol
      Tom DeLay's nick-name in Texas was : "Hot Tub Tom"
      Check out the Heritage Foundation boys, that place is full of folks like :
      Ron Christi

      And good ole' Rush yelled for years "Lock em'-up" on the drug issue as he had is house keeper scorin' "Hill-Billy-Heroin" for him.
      Then he gets popped coming back from Dominican Republic with some one else's "Peter pills".
      You guy's know what's for sale in the Dominican Republic ?
      Sex with children.

      Your problems are bigger than Vitter ....

      The "Fiscal Conservative" John McCain spends like drunken sailor on his own campaign.

      You love to rail against "Hollywood", but every actor that's ever made it to a federal office has been Republican.
      You guys elected "Cooter" from the "Dukes of Hazzard", "Gopher from the "Love Boat", and Sonny Bono for Christ's sakes.

      Now the rush is on to Fred Thompson, an 18 year Lobbyist / Actor / Lawyer. And lazy senator.

      Your problems are bigger than Vitter ....
      Finally, you people sent our army into the middle of 25 million pissed off Arabs with no plan, and told them when the were getting crap blown out of them :
      "You go to war with the army you have ..... "

      So let the Purge begin. I stocked-up on pop corn.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:28 PM EDT
      Oluseye

      He should not resign. By the way Ottoshow, here's a comprehensive list of Republican sexual transgressions. Vitter was just the latest.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#6 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:52 PM EDT
      Ben Grimm

      For instance, the perception of what is happening in Iraq is and has been media manipulated.

      The perception of this war has been manipulated by the media since before it began. On the whole, the mainstream media is not biased -- it's profit driven -- they reports the facts/events that are interesting to its audience (it's a two-way street, but that's beside the point). So why even bring up the fact that they focus on the negative -- it's sensational and drives ratings.

      Nearly all of the coverage in the lead up to the war was about what a monster Saddam was and how he must be hiding weapons. Without the mainstream media standing behind the administration, the war would not have garnered the same level of support from the public. Nobody cared about anything that was happening in Iraq before the war - positive or negative.

      As the war progressed they continued to focus on the negative.. soldiers dead, weapons not found, civilian casualties, etc... I'm guessing this was when you began to think that the media was manipulating perception. And now, big surprise, they focus on the negative -- and there's so much of it now that any positives are completely washed away.

      The mainstream audience "wants" to hear about all of the bad things because the mainstream audience wants the war to be over because they know that it's not making our country any safer.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
      Brandon Ragle

      The lesser of two evils is still evil. The wholesome folks from the heartland are tired of holding their noses and voting for Republicans whose "conservatism" translates into waging war to spread democracy to Mohammedans and endorsing amnesty for 20 million third-worlders.

        Reply#8 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:35 PM EDT
        Juno Hera

        Oh, I'm just not sure on this one.

        I think we have to have standards, even if all of us can't/won't/don't always meet them.

        This guy will have to answer to the voters in La. for his indiscretion and the courts for his illegal behavior.

        Foley, needed to go.

        I would like for the Republican party to have standards and to meet them, but also know that humans sometimes fail.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#9 - Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:03 PM EDT
        The Observer

        No discussion of transgressions would be complete without mentioning the Senior Senator from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy who killed a woman, and walked away. He didn't phone the police for hours, but he did phone Teddy Sorenson, who wrote the speech/excuse that Ted gave to the nation a few days later.

        If Kennedy can be forgiven for killing a woman, than certainly a man should be forgiven for whoring.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:40 AM EDT
        BlaiseP

        This is the fallacy of rhetoric known as Tu Quoque. One evil does not atone for another. Ted Kennedy's salvation by grace of his family connections is neatly paired with George Bush's escape from Vietnam, first by jumping the line into TXANG, where he manifestly went AWOL from his unit, and has no explanation for his life in the intervening 18 months. Nor does his father's role in the Iran-Contra scandal go away, nor his grandfather's dealings with the Nazi regime. If we are to hear such things from the likes of you about Ted Kennedy, then be prepared for a defense of a manifest war criminal, who when serving his country went absent from his post with no consequences, and when made commander in chief, allowed through his inattention to the security of his nation, warned in print of the threat allowed four jetliners to attack his country with thousands of lives lost. On the strength of this failure, for which he has never been held to account, he then led his country to war on false pretenses, leading to the deaths of thousands of his men and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. He has constructed secret prisons, covered up murders and kidnappings, funded death squads, repealed our civil liberties and continues to behave like a tyrant to this day.

        When they erect the statue of George Bush, let the pedestal be made of slabs of Vermont granite cut to the dimensions of a standard military tombstone. The number of those slabs must be equal to the sum of the 9/11 victims and the servicemen who died under his command. Quite a cube that granite will make, Observer, high enough to obscure any sight of a life-sized statue from ground level.

        • 1 vote
        #10.1 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:23 AM EDT
        The Observer

        Democrats as well as Republicans should be punished for breaking the law, Blaise.

        Democrats should not defend Democrat lawbreakers and Republicans should not defend Republican lawbreakers.

        I am sick of politicians making laws and being above them.

        Teddy was directly involved with Mary Jo's death and he did not spend a single minute in jail.

        • 3 votes
        #10.2 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:17 PM EDT
        BlaiseP

        You will excuse me while I nail your foot to the floor, right there. You brought Ted Kennedy in here. You're not so high and mighty but what you're ready to forgive some nasty little john who urged Clinton and his political opponents to resign for sexual improprieties. The hypocrisy is just amazing. I believe the Lord's Prayer goes and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. This creepy little Vitter didn't feel so forgiving back when it was Clinton in the dock, and now I shall have none for him.

        The best thing the Republican Party could do now is just to fold its tent and form a Tory Party like the UK. At least a Tory can be a closeted transvestite in good conscience.

        • 1 vote
        #10.3 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:26 PM EDT
        The Observer

        Those who commit crimes should go to jail, including Democrats.

        God can forgive them when they leave this Earth.

        BTW, the FORMAL CHARGE AGAINST CLINTON WAS PERJURY--NOT SEXUAL IMPROPRIETIES.

        • 2 votes
        #10.4 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:52 PM EDT
        ChaosLight

        1) So you'd be cool with Bush and Cheney behind bars on multiple counts of obstruction of justice, criminal negligence, and a wide variety of corruption charges? Meiers for contempt of court?

        2) @!$%# your god and his wisdom, if he fails to strike down with holy wrath even ten people on the list in comment #6.

        3) The perjury charge was even able to be brought because @!$%#wads like Vitter hounded after the man for something that now, according to you, was none of their goddamn business. Not saying that excuses the man for what might be termed as harassment, but it's one thing to have an affair, and quite another to have an affair... with a prostitute, while touting moral values.

        It's funny, though. Whenever a democrat has a sex scandal, it never seems to involve paying for it. I guess, whatever else you can claim, you have to admit that everyone wants to tap that Ass.

          #10.5 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:06 PM EDT
          The Observer

          1) There have been NO criminal charges brought against Bush and Cheney. The Democrats have the power to do so. Bush and Cheney are entitled to a trial.

          2) This is no a discussion about my God or anyone else's God. This is a discussion about crime and punishment and a single standard for Democrat and Republican alike.

          3) Clinton did commit perjury, A FEDERAL JUDGE SAID AS MUCH. Peace comes through acceptance.

          WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, April 12) -- U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright found President Bill Clinton in civil contempt of court Monday for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit.

          Wright has referred her ruling to the Arkansas Supreme Court to see if any disciplinary action should be taken, CNN has learned.

          "Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false," the judge wrote of Clinton's January 17, 1998 deposition.

          http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/12/clinton.contempt/

          • 3 votes
          #10.6 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:22 PM EDT
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          Bodhi1

          Otto, tag.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#11 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:41 AM EDT
          Bodhi1

          If that link doesn't work, then tag.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#12 - Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:45 AM EDT
          MartinEZ

          So we have the Pelosi/Reid Congress to deal with now. By and large, we're not howling at the moon every night in angst over the election results. We take it on the chin and with a grain of salt. For us foot soldiers on the conservative/Republican side of things, we've taken it as an ideological lesson for the Republican Party. We've accepted it.

          Sarcasm? The quote below shows just the opposite. There is only acceptance because he or she are forced to accept it... Anti-life agendas? Give me a break. This person is a zealot to his god, or his moral superiority complex, either of which are better than the other.

          "If you lean towards Republicans but are convinced that the answer to your beefs lie with some political cartoon, consider what a Democrat Congress will push: anti-war, anti-religion, anti-marriage, anti-life agendas. We will be suffering through two years of showboating investigations while our leadership is trying to conduct a war with villains and deal with enemy states who thrive on the kind of politics that Democrats promote. We will have Harry Reid as majority leader in the Senate. Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. John Murtha as Majority Leader of the house [oops]. Charlie 'I never met a tax-cut I liked' Rengal chairing the Means and Ways Committee."

          If someone is anti-life, I don't believe they deserve to live. Using the term anti-life is abusive to the "other side." The caller uses the term without regard to the policy of his own party. Apparently war supports life? I'm nor familiar with this type of logic, but it doesn't smell to great. I will finish reading now.

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